Cuomo began the segment by asking Quinn, the president and CEO of the New York homelessness organization Win, to react to the current wave of bills that seek to ban abortion as soon as a fetal heartbeat can be detected. "This is a clear attempt to take decisions about a woman's body and birth out of the hands of a woman and out of the hands of doctors," she said. "And that, to me, is really shocking."

When Santorum's turn to speak came, he challenged both of them on their framing that "this is all about choice, all about a woman's right." No, he argued, "it's all about the life of a little baby. And—and you can invalidate that and say that—that doesn't matter. But to millions of Americans, it does matter, and it's not that we hate women or want to violate women, but we truly do care about the life of that child on the woman, and we think a good society protects those children."

After Cuomo and Quinn expressed incredulity that Santorum refused to accept the U.S. Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade ruling as the last word on the abortion debate, Cuomo invoked the discredited myth that women "were killing themselves in back alleys" before Roe, to which Santorum noted that millions of babies "are dying now too, Chris."

"Rick, that is a big—that is a lie," Quinn declared. "If you really cared about the health of human beings, you would never take an issue like this away from a woman and her doctor."

"Do you realize a baby dies in an abortion?" Santorum asked. "Do you realize that? Are you ignoring that fact? That's a—that's a reality." Quinn and Cuomo both retorted that this wasn't a "legal fact," leading Santorum to ask if they disagreed that "at the moment of conception, a child is human and alive." Cuomo attempted to invoke "viability" and turn the conversation back to whatever the courts recognize.

"It's in every biology textbook in the world, at conception that is a human life," Santorum noted, to which Quinn claimed, "that is not the medical...that is not science." Cuomo again refused to give a straight answer as to what a fetus is before viability. Santorum suggested he was essentially arguing an early-term baby was a woman's "property," to which Cuomo said, "I'm okay with that"... Subscribe for free to Breaking Christian News here

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